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Digital-storm

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0. No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 09:26:28 AM PST

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http://twitter.com/Diablo

Skill trees gone? I think it is a bad idea, depending on what way they do it though.
If it uses a system like Sacred, then it would be terrible.

Grug

USEast

1. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 10:10:34 AM PST

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Skill trees were already essentially gone. They were only around as a sorting method. Blizzard removed prerequisites so you could get any skill for any tree as long as you were the right level.

Vadoff

Level: 1

Gateway: Lordaeron

2. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 10:59:49 AM PST

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This is a good thing.
Now instead of having the "usable" active skills limited to only the bottom half of the skill tree, they should all be relatively balanced now.
Essentially, the number of active skills we could use for late game doubles.

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The_architect

Europe

3. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 11:10:15 AM PST

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http://twitter.com/Diablo

Skill trees gone? I think it is a bad idea, depending on what way they do it though.
If it uses a system like Sacred, then it would be terrible.

WOW! You think it is a bad idea without even knowing what they did? I will just wait and see what have they actually done before starting to nay-say yet another possible improvement made by the dev team.

Q u o t e:
This is a good thing.
Now instead of having the "usable" active skills limited to only the bottom half of the skill tree, they should all be relatively balanced now.
Essentially, the number of active skills we could use for late game doubles.

How so? Do you know how they changed them and what will they be doing?

Bashiok

Q u o t e:
On the wind a shout
The barbarian strikes down
Flesh renders from bone

Redmarine

Level: 1

Gateway: Northrend

4. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 11:48:25 AM PST

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It would be great if we the Diablo 3 WarCraft development team could at least get some hint of what is going on behind the scenes. Would be epic to try this new system out for our map. :D

Whydontyoustray

USEast

5. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 12:58:55 PM PST

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Translation; Diablo team played torchlight, saw how skill system worked. Liked it. Copied it.

DURP DURP, SHINIES FOR PURPS.

Friskydingo

USWest

6. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 01:18:01 PM PST

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More like Torchlight saw D3 demos at blizzcon and what ever - stole how their trees worked but now Blizzard doesnt like them for what ever reason and has decided to change them again

Boosh and or Ka-Kow

Sharkeyca

USWest

7. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 02:52:44 PM PST

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Q u o t e:
Translation; Diablo team played torchlight, saw how skill system worked. Liked it. Copied it.

HA! You guys crack me up.

But my only comment is this: CHANGE CONFUSES AND FRIGHTENS ME! BLARGH!

Sharkull

USEast

8. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 03:40:01 PM PST

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No skill trees? Sounds good to me. Less restrictions on skill choices means more freedom in building characters. The removal of all skill redundancies and any less-than-awesome tree-filler skills... Two thumbs up.

Friskydingo

USWest

9. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 03:41:46 PM PST

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Bad - one less obsticle in making the most cookie cutting build possible

Boosh and or Ka-Kow

Risingred

Asia

10. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 04:57:40 PM PST

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I'd like to see it before judging it.

Afflictionx

USWest

11. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 04:59:28 PM PST

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Bad - one less obsticle in making the most cookie cutting build possible

We don't even know the new system yet :(

(Diablo 2 [3 - 2] + 1) x 7 + 5 divided by 8 - 2 + ([-6] x 6 - [-37]) x 6.02 x 10^23 = 1 Mol of Diablo 3

Septictank

USWest

12. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 05:22:17 PM PST

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Bad - one less obsticle in making the most cookie cutting build possible

i dont see the connection at all...
if one set of skills is more powerful/effective than the rest, people are going to figure out the "best build" and it will be common place. this has nothing to do with how the skills are arranged, but the fact that if one skill kills faster in every given situation, thats the skill every one will end up using.

Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now.

Friskydingo

USWest

13. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/21/2009 06:04:43 PM PST

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And I hope all of the skills are balanced and damage is mostly based on your level so that all the skills will be pretty balanced and it ends up merely a choice of playstyle

Boosh and or Ka-Kow

Squnny

USWest

14. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/22/2009 05:50:03 AM PST

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Q u o t e:
Translation; Diablo team played torchlight, saw how skill system worked. Liked it. Copied it.

More like... SHUTUP! Torchlight is a rehash of Diablo 2 from a company that holds onto their stupid dreams from a game that was made 10 (?) years ago instead of just giving up and trying something flipping new.

Kimi_ferrari

USEast

15. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/22/2009 11:51:21 AM PST

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I don't know how anyone can say either.

Good? Bad? Compared to what?

They obviously have to give us a bit more info on what they are intending. I know it is probably to early to get much info on what system they are deciding on, for all we know they have 5 other systems that are competing to see which is the most appropriate.

Let's hope Bash can provide us a little sneak peek at what they have in mind. Maybe a SS of the what they are using now, a brief description on how they are moving forward, even some cryptic foreshadowing ;p.

Kimi_ferrari

USEast

16. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/22/2009 11:55:06 AM PST

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Oh yea this can also be another hug misunderstanding of a twitter comment again.

Bashiok

Blizzard Poster

17. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/23/2009 06:05:35 PM PST

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People sure are running wild with interpreting what it could be, which is fun for us to read at least. :)

We'll see how it works out. It's still really only been tested in ideas and theory and messy whiteboard scribblings. Might be that it just doesn't work and we go back to the system we had post-Blizzcon, which in reality worked just fine. But we think we can one-up it a bit.

We've been iterating the entire time so really the newest tweet about trees going away wasn't the first hint, but it certainly contained a more concrete change in its text.

Oct 14th - "Skill system currently undergoing a new functionality and UI iteration. Nothing too radical... but it will be rad. Brosef."

Bashiok

Blizzard Poster

18. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/23/2009 06:06:12 PM PST

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Oh yea this can also be another hug misunderstanding

I never misunderstand hugs.

Friskydingo

USWest

19. Re: No skill trees, Good? Bad? 11/23/2009 06:40:20 PM PST

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Oh come on Bashiok.. I bet one time some girl who just thought of you as a friend gave you a hug - as a friend - and you started to think she liked you. And you wuvvled her after

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Boosh and or Ka-Kow

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