I find it comical that there is a general outcry amongst the population when it comes to this respec feature. People say that it will destroy the games replayability and render it ridiculously easy, and i do not disagree. However i do find it a valid point that this is just a feature, nobody is being forced to use it. It is a tool, there for those who feel the need to use it. If you want to leave the challenge/replayability of the game intact you may just refrain from using it, problem solved. As for other people using it, why should you care? The way they choose to play is none of your concern.

Personally, i find the respec feature to be a useful tool. If i make an honest mistake somewhere along my build, i can now fix it rather than spend X hours getting to where i was before i made the mistake.

We should not be making assumptions about the feature until we've seen it implemented in-game.

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I find it comical that there is a general outcry amongst the population when it comes to this respec feature. People say that it will destroy the games replayability and render it ridiculously easy, and i do not disagree. However i do find it a valid point that this is just a feature, nobody is being forced to use it. It is a tool, there for those who feel the need to use it. If you want to leave the challenge/replayability of the game intact you may just refrain from using it, problem solved. As for other people using it, why should you care? The way they choose to play is none of your concern.

Personally, i find the respec feature to be a useful tool. If i make an honest mistake somewhere along my build, i can now fix it rather than spend X hours getting to where i was before i made the mistake.

We should not be making assumptions about the feature until we've seen it implemented in-game.

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I believe the general angst spawns from the older generation gaming vs. newer generation gaming concept. I certainly see your points and I agree that it is only a tool and does not *have* to be used, however I personally feel that this change is the first of many to come that will turn Diablo 2 from a older generation game (there is an objective, work to complete it) into a newer generation game .(I do not want to die , I do not want to make any mistakes, everything is spoon fed to me.) That sort of game is already readily available to you, it's called World of Warcraft, you can be just like everyone else with the same gear, same skill trees, same builds, same friggin' look. I stopped playing wow for this very reason, there's no unique-ness, everyone is the same thing you can do a bit more damage by chosing the right "class that got buffed this month" and having better latency.

Next you will see re-socketable items in d2, stat point respecing, etc. This all takes away from the originality and unique-ness that was diablo 2, now instead of doing things the right way or having to rebuild your char, you can just say oops i messed up and quickly fix it. Yes, might be great for some and bad for others, i'm just scared of what similiar "catering to noob" changes are going to come after this.

Edit: And Yes, I personally believe that if you can't think out a skill tree plan before hand you are a noob. Also mis-clicks? You fked up, reroll. L2do things right.

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I believe the general angst spawns from the older generation gaming vs. newer generation gaming concept. I certainly see your points and I agree that it is only a tool and does not *have* to be used, however I personally feel that this change is the first of many to come that will turn Diablo 2 from a older generation game (there is an objective, work to complete it) into a newer generation game .(I do not want to die , I do not want to make any mistakes, everything is spoon fed to me.) That sort of game is already readily available to you, it's called World of Warcraft, you can be just like everyone else with the same gear, same skill trees, same builds, same friggin' look. I stopped playing wow for this very reason, there's no unique-ness, everyone is the same thing you can do a bit more damage by chosing the right "class that got buffed this month" and having better latency.

Next you will see re-socketable items in d2, stat point respecing, etc. This all takes away from the originality and unique-ness that was diablo 2, now instead of doing things the right way or having to rebuild your char, you can just say oops i messed up and quickly fix it. Yes, might be great for some and bad for others, i'm just scared of what similiar "catering to noob" changes are going to come after this.

Edit: And Yes, I personally believe that if you can't think out a skill tree plan before hand you are a noob. Also mis-clicks? You fked up, reroll. L2do things right.

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I see where your coming from. I also think if it were the Blizzard North team still working on this project, these features would never make it into the game. The fact that they hadnt been implemented throughout North's tenure means they were never meant to be part of the game. I guess thats what we get with a new project development team, a new outlook on an old game.

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There isn't a general outcry. its 2 or 3 people that don't like it, while the rest of us calling them !##!ing idiots.

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Oh, then i guess it must be the same people going from thread to thread throughout the forum crying about it.

Gimme a respec. I don't know how to do anything right.
Gimme a respec. I have no logical prowess.
Gimme a respec. I only want to build one character in my life.
Gimme a respec. That tard just killed me.
Gimme a respec. 1-4 hours to get to 90 is too long
Gimme a respec. I deserve it.

This about cover it?

Can we have a new sub-form called "Respec Discussion"? Blizzard doesn't have to actually read it, nor do the players. Or make 1 sticky to post in, so we can clean up all the d2 forums from the hundreds of respec topics.

As far as respecing goes, It's not a big deal. It will help the majority of the players. If you seriously think it's hard right now to respec, think again.

40 minute c-rush.
15 minutes in uber tristram
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Level 85.

Bam.

Respecing saves you 55 minutes, frees the server load of people having 4-5 accounts per person, and If Blizzard makes it involve gold, it creates a good currency.

respecing should cost a SOJ(or something else valuable just thought of a soj first) that way you have to be careful otherwise your going to pay for your mistake. plus this stops people from doing a respec every time they get butt hurt.

That helps dupers and gear buyers...

Gold would be best. Doesn't hurt the major players, and respecing isn't a big deal.

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respecing should cost a SOJ(or something else valuable just thought of a soj first) that way you have to be careful otherwise your going to pay for your mistake. plus this stops people from doing a respec every time they get butt hurt.

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Not an SOJ, that will just lead to more duping. Raise the gold maximum to like... 50 million (obtainable at 75) and make respeccing cost the character's maximum gold, that way people cant just enter a pvp game, see what everyone is playing and give an npc an soj to redo their skill points. It will also make people run games besides baal.

I like the idea of redoing talents but only if its something that would not be easily obtained by everyone. Someone mentioned that its not necessary because you can just make another char in an hour. No. That's not how the game is meant to be played and i firmly believe that blizzard put a leveling system into diablo 2 because they wanted you to kill monsters in different areas on the way to the final boss. I personally hope they fix all rushing bugs in 1.13 and remove the quest from town garbage unless the character had some sort of significant presence in the fight. I also hope experience is rescaled so that characters only get exp within a certain bracket of monsters.

Respec is a horrible idea that won't happen in this game for the very reasons you mentioned.

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Respec is a horrible idea that won't happen in this game for the very reasons you mentioned.

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I didn't think it would happen either...

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19110021662&sid=3000

I am obviously wrong.

I say a character can only respec once per level. That still allows you to make PLENTY of mistakes......

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I believe the general angst spawns from the older generation gaming vs. newer generation gaming concept. I certainly see your points and I agree that it is only a tool and does not *have* to be used, however I personally feel that this change is the first of many to come that will turn Diablo 2 from a older generation game (there is an objective, work to complete it) into a newer generation game .(I do not want to die , I do not want to make any mistakes, everything is spoon fed to me.)

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This is basically it right here. The OP is technically right, it doesn't affect things much at all. The irritation comes from the overall change in 'gaming' which is simply a difference in opinions. Respecs are in, and here to stay, because that is (sadly) what the majority wants.

Diablo 3 is going to be the same way. Auto stats, respecs on skills, and at this rate, I doubt HC is going to even make a come back. (Ya, I know, "Gee, can't you just delete your character if you die once?" but it isn't the same) There will be no way to 'lose' in D3. It is going to be like any other new game these days, where you just sit and click without any thought, and you win.

I'd rather not have respecs in D2, but it isn't going to affect things either way, so I don't have anything to @@!** about. (Except for how gaming is turning into EZ-mode everyone is a winner bull!%@!)

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This is basically it right here. The OP is technically right, it doesn't affect things much at all. The irritation comes from the overall change in 'gaming' which is simply a difference in opinions. Respecs are in, and here to stay, because that is (sadly) what the majority wants.

Diablo 3 is going to be the same way. Auto stats, respecs on skills, and at this rate, I doubt HC is going to even make a come back. (Ya, I know, "Gee, can't you just delete your character if you die once?" but it isn't the same) There will be no way to 'lose' in D3. It is going to be like any other new game these days, where you just sit and click without any thought, and you win.

I'd rather not have respecs in D2, but it isn't going to affect things either way, so I don't have anything to @@!** about. (Except for how gaming is turning into EZ-mode everyone is a winner bull!%@!)

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I'm fairly certain they are bringing back HC mode. I know I would love playing HC through my first playthrough of D3 =D.

i agree with Eyewtkas that feature is all catering to noobs....its the most ridiculous feature you can put on an RPG .....its the only reason why i play diablo ....and the main reason i dont play WOW or warhammeronline or any other nub game

everyone ends up the same charac same gear same everything the onkly ones for this r the little kids that cry when they die

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I'm fairly certain they are bringing back HC mode. I know I would love playing HC through my first playthrough of D3 =D.

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I dunno, I don't keep up on every single detail of D3 like some people out there, so maybe they said something I am not aware of. Last I heard, it was unconfirmed but something they could easily add at any point in development. Which makes sense.

However, just looking at how the game is progressing, I would not be surprised if they finally decided against it. Adding things like auto stats and respecs are ways to keep a character as a one time deal. You make a Wizard and level that Wizard, there is no need to make a new one. With all this focus on having "one" Wizard, it wouldn't surprise me if Blizzard says something along the lines of, "We wanted characters in Diablo 3 to have a longer 'life' than in Diablo 2. We want people to be able to build on a character for weeks, months even. We have added auto-stats, respecs, and removed hardcore mode as ways to ensure people do not have to keep recreating the same class repeatedly."

Of course, that brings up another point. If they keep adding things to avoid having to remake characters, how will this affect the replayability of the game and overall game life? I know, it is only speculation at this point, but I personally would argue that the ability to modify stats and skills (and only one time per character at that) is what has kept D2 alive for so long.

As for playing through D3 the first time through on HC - if you remember, you had to play through D2 once on SC in order to unlock HC. A stupid rule, and if there is HC in D3, I hope that we won't have to go through all that just to get to HC.

Edit: Not to mention that with how crazy everyone is with the "Everyone is a winner" mentality in modern gaming, it wouldn't surprise me if HC wasn't added just because "Losing a character forever" hurts peoples feelings.